[DkPheonix]

Neacal, on Mar 18 2005, 03:56 AM, said:

Actually, the conspiracy theories is my main motivation for wanting to know when people got the items. So far all I know of have all been "found" at nearly identical times of the day. I am not going to believe that it is truely random before people start getting them in the weee morning hours PST time. If you look at the player fluctiation these days, with the increase in players since SGDA closed, it is very unlikely that one time of the day with 700+ players has all the "random" events while another time with 700+ players does not have any. Not to mention that none of the items have been found during the weekend, where the clear peak in players is. Strange, yes. Random item giveaways, I dont think so.

I dont blame them for doing them one at a time so they can make sure they work before releasing the quests to the masses. What I dont like is them telling the players the items are already there for grabs when there are so many factors speaking agaist that claim.

Edit:
About the Nigel quest. Even before it got made easier it was still possible to provoke it by just walking around a LOT and being lucky to hit the right tile. I got all 3 quests on Neacal simply by walking around Mileth and Rucesion, and a few other characters at random (a lot of unregistered hubae actually, at least 10). What I want to know is if I can get one of the pop-ups (lets limit that to monk only, as that is my only pure character) simply walking around or standing afk in some area (considering the coding they would have had to implement, standing afk in Rucesion would eventually give me the puzzle box if I stand there long enough, if they did in fact implement an automated allocation). It is something new in the game and I dont think anybody could blame another player for wanting it. I took the time to do the manor quest, I took the time to walk through many of the areas (not stepping every tile, but close) and what bothers me is that I have no frigging idea if it is all a waste of time.

If the DA Team came out with a message saying something along the lines of this I would stop bitching.

Message said:

We have finished implementing and testing the Eclipse and Obsidian quest now. The others will follow shortly and we will be picking a random tester to be the first to do try the quest, so keep your Demon Lord's Notes handy ^.^
The quests confirmed to work will be implemented so that only one item can be found at a time, in any map of Temuair. When an item is found a new one is generated, again in a random map. To avoid an item getting "stuck" in an area, the items will move around every 4 hours. Have fun with the treasure hunting :)

But noooo, that would be too nice of them. Actually, that is what bothers me. They never say anything, and when they do, they make sure their comments doesnt make any sense. Im starting to think they are politicians. No people with a polytechnical education could have their skills in dodging questions and making empty promises.

I mailed DaTeam about the Cluais Jewel and my response was as followed.
We cannot give out information to just one person. Regarding the Dark Artifacts we will tell everyone.
It said something to that effect. All i asked is if it was random or should we stop wasteing our time and i get that back. Oh well only time will tell.
-Dk

[Neacal]

DkPheonix, on Mar 18 2005, 12:38 PM, said:

I mailed DaTeam about the Cluais Jewel and my response was as followed.
We cannot give out information to just one person. Regarding the Dark Artifacts we will tell everyone.
It said something to that effect. All i asked is if it was random or should we stop wasteing our time and i get that back. Oh well only time will tell.
-Dk

That is as close to "dont waste your time yet" as they can get while still remaining in the "dont tell them anything useful zone".

This post has been edited by Neacal: 18 March 2005 - 03:03 AM

[Burgers]

DkPheonix, on Mar 18 2005, 04:38 AM, said:

I mailed DaTeam about the Cluais Jewel and my response was as followed.
We cannot give out information to just one person. Regarding the Dark Artifacts we will tell everyone.
It said something to that effect. All i asked is if it was random or should we stop wasteing our time and i get that back. Oh well only time will tell.
-Dk

I'd imagine they would tell you if it was random. But they are quite unpredictable

[Athenesa]

Ailex or w/e what the hell are u smoking! there is a TOTAL of 3 Dark artifacts found and crafted. There is no Wiz dark artifact found yet smartass. ONLY 2 Brittle blades and 1 pUzzle box have been found and they have both been given up and made into weapons already. If you Claim or believe differently please take a SS of your brittle blade and the wizard dark artifact and Post it on here and stop wasting our time. BTW I would love to know how you knew what the wiz dark artifact was but thats just me :). So Post it or shut up. Im tired of hearing your bull talking bout I got a brittle blade and so did a bunch of other people. there are hundreds of people on PDA and DAHelp. Almost all of them play DA and most people who play DA post on 1 of the 2 forums so if someone had found a wiz dark artifact it would be posted here and DA help or 1 or the other. Hopefully we'll either get some proof or you will shut up after this post :)

This post has been edited by Athenesa: 18 March 2005 - 05:05 AM

[Neacal]

Ailex, on Mar 18 2005, 03:56 PM, said:

hahahahahahaha

GJ on the broken link.

[Cronus]

Neacal, on Mar 18 2005, 09:17 AM, said:

GJ on the broken link.

It isn't even a real URL =(

[Zyphone]

Personally DAteam take too much time on crappy updates, they should just update things faster than we're reaching them and then once they get so far, we'll be miles behind and people would play for ages without updates.

The Dark Artifacts with the random popups are what i think totally [filtered]. I hate the way they've created it for anybody, just give everyone it ffs, i thought the game was about class balance.

[Cronus]

Kind of off topic but did the quest specifics for the Obsidian ever get posted up somewhere?

[Moiraine]

Cronus, on Mar 18 2005, 04:24 PM, said:

Kind of off topic but did the quest specifics for the Obsidian ever get posted up somewhere?

She was handed the item, so I don't think so.

[_sl0t_]

Moiraine, on Mar 18 2005, 01:33 PM, said:

She was handed the item, so I don't think so.

The item wasn't handed to her.
The pop-up appeared while she was daydreaming, that's all.
She had to figure out what to do with it and where to go. Reported a bug on the quest to nexon and after they fixed she finished the quest. She got items, killed some kind of boss and received the claws, just like eclipse. (well, from what I know the eclipse was a lot harder to make)

This post has been edited by _sl0t_: 18 March 2005 - 01:36 PM

[Neacal]

Cronus, on Mar 18 2005, 11:24 PM, said:

Kind of off topic but did the quest specifics for the Obsidian ever get posted up somewhere?

I dont think so. She was not as generous as Ashuran to supply the curious community with details of the quest. The only thing she did say was that the initial item is a puzzle box.
Im sure when a few more of the puzzle boxes are found, people will be kind enough to take lots of screenshots and make them available to the public.
Im sure Vamistle would make a section on his site if asked nicely, even if the item is not for warriors.

This is actually one of the more annoying things about the way they implemented these things. Because we have seen details of the Eclipse quest, it would be a fair asumption that the Obsidian quest would be equally interesting, but we dont know. DA Team spent so long implementing something that only one player got to see so far, quite a waste.

We can only hope that they finish testing the quests soon, so we will actually be able to find more of them. In the case of Obsidian, Im sure Selkhit wouldnt mind some more monks to share the attention with.

[DkPheonix]

Neacal, on Mar 18 2005, 05:10 PM, said:

I dont think so. She was not as generous as Ashuran to supply the curious community with details of the quest. The only thing she did say was that the initial item is a puzzle box.
Im sure when a few more of the puzzle boxes are found, people will be kind enough to take lots of screenshots and make them available to the public.
Im sure Vamistle would make a section on his site if asked nicely, even if the item is not for warriors.

This is actually one of the more annoying things about the way they implemented these things. Because we have seen details of the Eclipse quest, it would be a fair asumption that the Obsidian quest would be equally interesting, but we dont know. DA Team spent so long implementing something that only one player got to see so far, quite a waste.

We can only hope that they finish testing the quests soon, so we will actually be able to find more of them. In the case of Obsidian, Im sure Selkhit wouldnt mind some more monks to share the attention with.

This is why she didn't say anything because people were assholes to her. Currently she sent the items to Vamistle and when he posts them you will get the specifics. Stop [filtered]ing flameing her because its getting annoying. He wasn't straight forward to begin with anyways. Once he almost had the item and needed items he then posted everything. Thats why she stopped posting. 30 posts flaming her would make anyone tell you to [filtered] off.

[_sl0t_]

OMG stop that.
She said she is putting the screenshots together to send to Vamistle. He will make a section for that.
STFU about this please. I'm tired of people saying how nice/bad Ashuren and Selkhit are. They are not supposed to do anything for anybody else if they don't feel like it. They just got a damned item, nothing else. Then please sit and wait until it gets done.
After all that I wouldn't do anything for any forum. I would just say "Hi, I find it there, at this time, and it does that".

[SinnAmeril]

How exactly was Neacal Flaming her? I am just curious. All i see is him calling it as he sees it, pointing out the obvious. Some people are more generous than others, we just have to learn to live with it.

[Irving]

Athenesa, on Mar 18 2005, 05:02 AM, said:

Ailex or w/e what the hell are u smoking! there is a TOTAL of 3 Dark artifacts found and crafted. There is no Wiz dark artifact found yet smartass. ONLY 2 Brittle blades and 1 pUzzle box have been found and they have both been given up and made into weapons already. If you Claim or believe differently please take a SS of your brittle blade and the wizard dark artifact and Post it on here and stop wasting our time. BTW I would love to know how you knew what the wiz dark artifact was but thats just me :). So Post it or shut up. Im tired of hearing your bull talking bout I got a brittle blade and so did a bunch of other people. there are hundreds of people on PDA and DAHelp. Almost all of them play DA and most people who play DA post on 1 of the 2 forums so if someone had found a wiz dark artifact it would be posted here and DA help or 1 or the other. Hopefully we'll either get some proof or you will shut up after this post :)

OK.

A) Calm the [filtered] down.
B) Not everone, no matter what you believe, looks at PDA, or DAH, or even DAE.
C) It is only wasting your time if you believe it
D) Hopefully you'll shutup

If I ever get a Dark Artifact, I am not going to run here talking about it. Personally I'd take screenshots of everrything, then post it on the board if I felt like it. Because people that say they found a Dark Artifact get attacked in the worse of ways. Its just like calm down damnit. If they are lying, they are, who cares. If they aren't, then why are you so god damn demanding? Must feel really [filtered]ty to try to share some info with the community, then you get 100x people going POsT SCReEn ShOt NoOb.

[Selkhit]

Moiraine, on Mar 18 2005, 03:33 PM, said:

She was handed the item, so I don't think so.

Handed the...riiiiight. >.<

[DkPheonix]

SinnAmeril, on Mar 18 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

How exactly was Neacal Flaming her?  I am just curious.  All i see is him calling  it as he sees it, pointing out the obvious.  Some people are more generous than others, we just have to learn to live with it.

hmm what is this

Neacal: I dont think so. She was not as generous as Ashuran to supply the curious community with details of the quest. The only thing she did say was that the initial item is a puzzle box.

and it was meant as a general statement. If you're an asshole to me why would i share infomation. Thats all i was really pointing out.

[Neacal]

DkPheonix, on Mar 19 2005, 12:32 AM, said:

This is why she didn't say anything because people were assholes to her. Currently she sent the items to Vamistle and when he posts them you will get the specifics. Stop [filtered]ing flameing her because its getting annoying. He wasn't straight forward to begin with anyways. Once he almost had the item and needed items he then posted everything. Thats why she stopped posting. 30 posts flaming her would make anyone tell you to [filtered] off.

_sl0t_, on Mar 19 2005, 12:42 AM, said:

OMG stop that.
She said she is putting the screenshots together to send to Vamistle. He will make a section for that.
STFU about this please. I'm tired of people saying how nice/bad Ashuren and Selkhit are. They are not supposed to do anything for anybody else if they don't feel like it. They just got a damned item, nothing else. Then please sit and wait until it gets done.
After all that I wouldn't do anything for any forum. I would just say "Hi, I find it there, at this time, and it does that".

What the ....
You are turning a non-flaming post into a reverse flame. That is exactly why I did not post anything like that in initial topic, because people like you two flame anyone who even mentions the names of the unspeakable players.

Just to make it completely clear. If I am flaming anybody here, it is "DA Team", not any of the players who were lucky enough to be in the first round of the "lucky draw".
I dont care if any of the people who got the items are willing to share or not, its up to them. What I do care about is when the rest of us will get a chance to try to quests. From the info DA Team has given us, the only prequisite is having a Demon Lord's Note. I only care about where and when the pop-ups were found. Which Selkhit did share right away, as has most other people who have said they got brittle blades.
I care about this because I am interested in finding out of I have any chance of obtaining the items myself.
In the case of the Obsidian, knowing how she obtained the puzzle box is what Im interested in. What happens after that, I will deal with when I get my own puzzle box.

They just need to let more people do the quests. These items are no different than any other item implemented over the past 2 years. As soon as it can be obtained people will want one. The difference in this case is that it is not the most proactive players who obtained it first, and thus some casual players got trapped in the novelty rush of a new item. All the other strong items in the past years (GM gear, Medenia gear and so on) have all been obtained first by proactive players. Players who did it fast just so they could be the first to obtain it. If you look at the current DA playerbase, it contains a large percentage of that type of players. People who dont mind sitting 15 hours doing a marathon quest just to complete it before anyone else.
Then they implement a new quest that is completely random and one nobody has any idea of what is required to start. And to make it even worse, they make sure that the quest gives out the strongest weapons seen to date.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that the way DA Team implemented this was a very selfish way. They can now sit and reply tickets saying that the items are in the game, and it is then up to the poor players who got them to answer all the questions they dont know the answers to. A quite effective way to make the players stop submitting tickets about the items all the time.

[trrrravis]

i agree with neacal 100% on this.

now i may be wrong, but how much time have the 3 people that have gotten these items, actually contributed to looking* and researching these items? they may have done some walking around, they may have quickly searched for the weapons names, but i garentee you they did not spend as much time as my self, neacal, or a numberous of people that spend hours in to finding them. thats why they should at least tell us what they did. We've been waiting a damn year for these items, we deserve a taste of what the quest was like. i personally like both of the 1st people that got the items, so if i wanted to, i could ask details, but what about the people that dont know them? how are they going to know what its like to recieve the item they've been looking for?

*looking- by this i mean walking around, saying random phrases to mundanes.

ps, at least the finder, a friend of the finder knows of, or visits pda/dah/dae regularly. if somthing was to be found, it would be noticed within hours/days.

[REINHEART]

has a sub gotten any items yet or is it still up in the air as too subs/pures

[Selkhit]

Umm...down boys? I appreciate that you care, but no one is flaming me, and I can stand up for myself. :P

[SiLo]

Selkhit, I don't mean to flame you, just try to perhaps satiate you. When you find such a thing, such as this, you become a celebrity. You'll have people that love you, hate you, want to know everything, etc. You have to expect this and understand this fact, especially with such a sensitive issue.

There are going to be skeptical people, especially with the current "Team" we have working on this game. I know it may seem like they are calling you a liar, but honestly, you can't blame them. Look at morons like Ailex that post bad links, non-existant hosts, and the like. Yes, you MAY be honest, and probably are, but people can't just KNOW this.

Yes, I also realize that you being AFK makes it harder to recall what happened exactly, but that is somewhat your "job" to the community. Sure, you don't have to do it, but it would help everyone. You just have to realize people WILL be the way they are, some mean, some nice, some jerks, some helpful. You can't simply turn a cold shoulder on EVERYONE simply because of the way things work. People will be skeptical, so let them. You know you experienced whatever so what do you have to prove? Just tell it how it happened and don't care what people say, you have the claw/item, so who cares.

It just is irrational to get upset that people call you a liar about an issue that has been hoaxed tons of times. It's analogous to saying you found some breakthrough in the science world and expect everyone to believe you straight up -- it's not going to happen.

It would be greatly appreciated if you could tell us what you did with the box, what you fought, what you found, and the details like such. Some people will believe you, some won't, there's nothing you can do about it and when you simply "avoid" it, it makes you seem irrational. You are a celebrity, there's nothing you can do about it now.

[Selkhit]

Vamistle has all the quest information for his site. As for where I was, I was a few steps down from the Ruc Inn, daydreaming in front of a lamp post, and it was late last Monday (evening, EST). I shifted all around the faiths to be able to ID the weapon, and have been giving that information to anyone who asks.

No, I didn't get the item "handed" to me, despite what some people may think. There WAS A POPUP, and I closed it before I read it. It's as simple as that. Yes, I was daydreaming when I got the popup, and it is entirely possible that someone threw me back and forth. I honestly don't know.

Vam already has the stats for the Obsidian up on the-warrior, and I am assuming he'll have the quest info there as well, when he gets a chance. I have been answering any POLITE questions asked of me in-game, but as for posting here...I have no desire to anymore. Sure, people are going to doubt that I'm telling the truth. They always will. HOWEVER, I don't find it entirely irrational to be angered by verbal abuse. Being called a liar is one thing, being called a "waste of life" (among other things) is another issue all together.

Having my picture put up on dah8 (assclowns) specifically for the purpose of being flamed and laughed at just furthers my dislike of posting any info on the forums. If I'm being irrational to not want to share with a bunch of people treating me like crap, then fine. I'm totally irrational.

I do see your point though, and this whole issue could have been handled better. Not just by me, but by all.

This post has been edited by SelkhitDelValar: 18 March 2005 - 06:55 PM

[SSJ7gOkuGuY]

i cn sympertize wit u selk it i kno how u feel cuz once my kat died an every1 call me lier baout it s0 sory

[_sl0t_]

Daiboi, on Mar 18 2005, 03:23 PM, said:

OK.

A) Calm the [filtered] down.
B) Not everone, no matter what you believe, looks at PDA, or DAH, or even DAE.
C) It is only wasting your time if you believe it
D) Hopefully you'll shutup

If I ever get a Dark Artifact, I am not going to run here talking about it. Personally I'd take screenshots of everrything, then post it on the board if I felt like it. Because people that say they found a Dark Artifact get attacked in the worse of ways. Its just like calm down damnit. If they are lying, they are, who cares. If they aren't, then why are you so god damn demanding? Must feel really [filtered]ty to try to share some info with the community, then you get 100x people going POsT SCReEn ShOt NoOb.

That made me laugh.
Yes, not everyone posts here or in any other forum, but do you really think that if we had a summoner running around with a dark ring Ailex would be the only person in the game to know about this? I bet that we would had posts in PDA of the ring 1 or 2 days after.
He comes here posting (false) information leading us to wrong ways and demand us to believe in him just because he said it. Can't we ask for a proof?

Neacal, on Mar 18 2005, 03:38 PM, said:

What the ....
You are turning a non-flaming post into a reverse flame. That is exactly why I did not post anything like that in initial topic, because people like you two flame anyone who even mentions the names of the unspeakable players.

Now matter how polite you were that was flaming.
What really pisses me off is that everyone thinks that they have to do something for us just because they found it. Especially about Selkhit, who crossed the octagram just to be able to analyze the claws.
Did you help her to finish the quest? Did you help her to shift faith? Do you even know her? Then don't come here judging other people just because what you think they should do.

SelkhitDelValar, on Mar 18 2005, 04:14 PM, said:

Umm...down boys? I appreciate that you care, but no one is flaming me, and I can stand up for myself. :P

Sorry. I'll stop.
It just pisses me off all those people flaming and demanding you to do what they want. I was curious about the quest but I respected your choice. I waited until you finish the quest, and altough I never talked with you in game before, you answered my whisper and considered to shift faith just to analyze it. I explained how shifting works and had my friends to help you, and you had all the patience in the world waiting for me to find a Deoch priest willing to help.
You already said in another topic that you were putting together the screenshots so Vamistle could use it. And after all that a bunch of nobodies that never helped or took the time to know what you did think they have the right to tell you what you should do and judge you? This really pisses me off.

Quote

It just is irrational to get upset that people call you a liar about an issue that has been hoaxed tons of times. It's analogous to saying you found some breakthrough in the science world and expect everyone to believe you straight up -- it's not going to happen.

Yes Silo, but if everyone just asked politely like you're doing now and waited we wouldn't be discussing this here. The fact is that everyone flamed, called her a liar and ordered her to share the information. I'm not her childhood friend, I met her the day she got the claws. She answered all my questions and I helped her to get the information I wanted. But of course, blaming her and saying how "inept" she was to deal with a situation that she never asked for is easier than being polite and patient.

This post has been edited by _sl0t_: 18 March 2005 - 07:46 PM

[Moiraine]

SelkhitDelValar, on Mar 18 2005, 06:24 PM, said:

Handed the...riiiiight. >.<

I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you said there was a bug and so the DATeam just gave you the item without you actually having to complete the whole quest. Is that not correct?

[Selkhit]

Moiraine, on Mar 18 2005, 11:41 PM, said:

I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you said there was a bug and so the DATeam just gave you the item without you actually having to complete the whole quest. Is that not correct?

No...I had to do the whole quest. The bug is that I was able to see an option well before I should have been able to do so. Nothing major.

[Moiraine]

SelkhitDelValar, on Mar 19 2005, 12:54 AM, said:

No...I had to do the whole quest.  The bug is that I was able to see an option well before I should have been able to do so.  Nothing major.

Sorry then, I must have read the other comment somewhere else.

[_sl0t_]

Ailex, on Mar 18 2005, 09:24 PM, said:

No you don't have the right to demand proof. You will get it if someone decides to give it to you.

Asking for a proof is different from demanding a proof. I'm not your boss or anything like that, I have no right to demand a proof.
Right now I don't believe in you because of what I stated before, but I'll always give you the benefit of the doubt, altough it seems that you are just taking the time to prepare something.

[Phrixos2121]

Ailex stop posting here. Everyone can plan out see your lying just like every other newb who wanted to act like a know it all on the dark artifacts. NO WIZ HAS FOUND THE DARK ARTIFACTS SO STOP LYING ITS ANNOYING SEEING THE SAME LIE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Only 2 eclipses and 1 monk has been found. Even if they dont givea rats ass about PDA or DA Help people will still see them using the items and their legends and they would post it on PDA or DA Help they dont have to post it themselves. im tired of reading all of your bull so stop posting. Everyone knows ur lying so give it up.